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Abortion Pride?

Ms. Magazine intends to publish the names of 5000 women who admit abortions and actively advocate abortion rights. I’m not sure I get the point.

I believe that government has two possibly conflicting obligations; to protect the most vulnerable of its citizens – babies, and also to limit its intrusion into the private conduct of a woman’s reproductive functions. The fuzzy dividing line between these two responsibilities is defined by how and when we define human life. Some “know” with moral certitude exactly when a life begins, but a government obligated to make that determination without the guidance of religious dogma has more uncertainty. The government based much of its policy on the viability of the baby outside the womb and decreed that prior to viability, the issue was within the private rights of the mother’s conscience.

And I don’t fault the mother’s conscience when the issue of medical necessity arises. These women face a terrible choice that should carry no guilt, and abortion should be available without legal or logistical hassles.

I can extend my sympathy to victims of rape or incest and trust that their conscience will guide them to a sound personal choice. I’m in no position to judge their dilemma.

But the women who choose abortion as a lifestyle choice? I do question their conscience. Sure, a baby would disrupt their schooling or career path. A baby would change their entire world. But isn’t that the consequence of their previous choices? Shouldn’t they live up to the accountability for their actions? An elective abortion as a “do over” for poor judgment simply compounds one poor choice upon another. This is nothing to be proud of.

I’ll be curious to watch the reaction to this published list of aborters. I imagine that rather than bolster the argument for abortion, it will simply fuel opposition. I personally can accept abortion as a difficult necessity for some, but by flaunting it, these women run the risk of exposing the worst possible aspect. They may feel some moral reinforcement as they look among themselves, but most will view their proclamation with disappointment at best.

Michael


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Comment from ausblog:

World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.

3,500 per day / 1.3 million per year in America alone.

50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

And 2% had medical reasons.

That means a stagering 98% may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET AN IMPLANT (in arm) THAT IS – SAFE – 99.9% EFFECTIVE AND LASTS FOR THREE YEARS?


Posted by ausblog    Oct 6, 06:05 PM    #

Comment from Michael Smith:

Yet isn’t it puzzling that many of the “conservatives” who are so zealously pro-life also reject sex education and easy access to birth control?


Posted by Michael Smith    Oct 6, 08:49 PM    #

Comment from ausblog:

Do you vote…


Posted by ausblog    Oct 7, 04:37 PM    #

Comment from ausblog:

Something for Pro-choicers to concider…..

I am a pro-lifer who has no religious convictions at all . I didn’t need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term
you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you. Don’t you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?
I’m all for contraception, prevention is certainly better than termination.
Did you know you can get an implant that is safe, 99.9% effective, and lasts for three years? Just think girls not even a show for three years, wouldn’t that be great? I think too many people rely too heavily on the last option (abortion), I think if abortions weren’t so readily available people would manage their reproductive system far better resulting in a fraction of the number of unwanted pregnancies.
World wide there are over 50 MILLION aborted pregnancies each year. In America 3,500 terminations carried out every day, that’s over 1.3 million every year, 50% of all cases claimed that birth control had been used, 48% admitted they took no precaution, and 2% had a medical reason. That’s a staggering 98% that may have been prevented had an effective birth control been used. Don’t get me wrong, I suspect the percentages in Australia would be much the same.
Just a lot of unnecessary killing.

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

I am convinced that in the not too distant future, people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.

Want to know how to find humanity-?

True humanity can only be achieved, by concidering others/ caring about others, as much as, if not more than yourself.

Until we do we are no more than an uncivilisation, with all the uncivilised things that we do…


Posted by ausblog    Oct 7, 04:42 PM    #

Comment from Michael Smith:

Ausblog,

Your personal conviction is consistent with mine. As my wife and I considered birth control options we felt that any method that prevented fertilization or ovulation was acceptable, but that once sperm met egg – that “entity” deserved a fair shot.

But your argument in defense of the fetus is rather flawed. Yes, we were all once a fetus. We were all once an egg, We were all once a sperm. With the Monty Python tune “Every Sperm is Sacred” running through my head, I have to ask; is it a crime against humanity to waste an egg or a sperm?

OK, so a fetus has a full set of chromosomes, etc, but is it a “life?” Is it a life at the point of first cell division? Is it a life when half-way down the fallopian tube? Is it a life after implant in the uterus? Can we tell when sentient brain activity begins? It’s clearly subordinate to the mother until around 20 weeks at which point it might be sustained outside the mother’s womb. Now if the debate centered, as has been proposed in several states, on a definition of viability, I could support that.

But prior to viability, the debate rests on what we define as a life and how we prioritize the fetus’s rights versus the mother’s. Whatever the relative weighting, I can’t see any valid logic that gives the fetus higher standing that the mother. The fetus is arguably a “life,” but the mother is irrefutably a life with all the rights and protections afforded. So, if the mother’s life is at risk from the pregnancy, or if her rights were violated through rape or incest, I believe that government should not interfere with her choice.

Perhaps 98 percent don’t fall within my definition (or yours) of “acceptable” reasons. It’s precisely the remaining 2 percent that needs to be defended. Nearly all aspects of our civil liberties are designed to protect the minority. We don’t need freedom of speech to promote agreement; we need it to protect dissent. We don’t need protection against unreasonable search and seizure to protect us from an honest government; it protects us against an overly intrusive one. We don’t assume innocence until proven guilty to shelter the guilty, but to protect the unjustly accused. We tolerate (if we have any integrity) objectionable speech, cumbersome search warrants, and occasional release of guilty defendants because we place more value on liberty than government-imposed order.

We may personally object to abortion, but it should be available. It should be safe and accessible. It needn’t be underwritten by the government, but the government should protect it.

And yes, I vote. Are you implying that we should decide constitutional principles on the basis of popular vote?


Posted by Michael Smith    Oct 7, 07:24 PM    #

Comment from Michael Smith:

btw ausblog,

A quick google of your trail leads to several repetitive post of exactly the same material. I won’t publish anything further that doesn’t appear to be original.

Michael


Posted by Michael Smith    Oct 7, 10:14 PM    #

Comment from Paul Davis:

ausblog, I call BS on your numbers.
1.3 million/year in the US?
The population of the US is 300million. There are about 50 million women of fetile age in the US. Your numbers suggest that 3% of all fertile women get an abortion EVERY year. That suggests that every women in the country has one at some point in her life.
Time to check your sources.


Posted by Paul Davis    Oct 10, 02:59 PM    #

Comment from Michael Smith:

Here’s a link to abortion figures collected by the CDC, and the 1.3m number was the average through the late 80’s and early 90’s.

The numbers show 300 abortions per 1000 live births? That would seem to suggest that some women are frequent repeat customers.

It looks like large proportion are older than 25, single white women who’ve never had a child.

http://www.cdc.gov/MMWR/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm

These numbers are troubling, and I see no compelling reason to think these numbers are biased to one extreme or another.


Posted by Michael Smith    Oct 17, 06:01 AM    #

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